Reinforcing stereotypes

You dont counter the stereotype by beheading your wife, idiot!

You don't counter the stereotype by beheading your wife, idiot!

In Buffalo, NY there is a television station run by Muslims with the stated purpose of countering Muslim stereotypes.  I can respect that, but the General Manager, Muzzammil Hassan, just could not resist his inner stereotype.  Apparently, police had repeatedly responded to domestic violence reports at Hassan’s residence.  Hassan’s wife, Aasiya Hassan, filed for divorce on February 6.  As far as I understand, in Islam a wife cannot do this, wives have no rights and especially in the marriage.  But the Hassans did not live in an Islamic nation.

Ten days later on February 16th, Hassan reported his wife dead and took police to her now headless body.  Muzzammil Hassan is now charged with murder.  Apparently, Mr. Hassan, was so enraged with his wife that he did something completely unexpected in Islamic culture, he beheaded her.

My point is not that Muslims routinely behead those they dislike or that they murder their wives.  My point is that Hassan was employed to dispel Muslim stereotypes but in the end he served to reinforce a very basic stereotype.  Muslims behead people.  Well, they do.  Muzzammil Hassan proved it.

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    • Lady S
    • November 9th, 2009

    The more I read people’s views the more surprised I am that people write what they do with so much conviction and speak as though what they say is the true gospel word. I am trying to make it my aim to inform those that do not seek to inform themselves. I’ve just happened to come across the above, and regardless at how horrified I am at Mr Hassan’s alleged actions, my point of correction is to do with the matter of divorce in Islam. Islam does in fact allow women to divorce. It’s called a ‘khullah’ when it’s initiated by the woman which is perhaps why there’s an illusion only the man can divorce. I know many women that have sought divorce, and so I suppose all I’m aiming to do is show that you really are an American idiot and you are living up to your name very well. By your very logic, Americans are idiots. Well, they are. You just proved it.

      • Ben
      • November 10th, 2009

      RE:The more I read people’s views the more surprised I am that people write what they do with so much conviction and speak as though what they say is the true gospel word. I am trying to make it my aim to inform those that do not seek to inform themselves.

      Obviously, your disdain is over the phrase “As far as I understand, in Islam a wife cannot do this, wives have no rights and especially in the marriage. But the Hassans did not live in an Islamic nation.”

      Your illumination of the existence of ‘khullah’ informs and serves to change an existing understanding, but your vitriol over this misunderstanding is excessive and serves to move attention away from the topic.

      In the end, while Islam remains intolerant, backward, unforgiving and wicked, the crime remains as heinous as before, with or without this new understanding.

  1. You response is typical of those who in anger cannot think. Hopefully making a personal attack makes you feel superior. You only come across angry and stupid yourself.

    Perhaps you have a better understanding of Islamic culture than do I. I cannot tell. You threw out a “fact” without reference or context. Is it not common for Muslim men when dishonored by a wife seeking divorce, to murder her? Is it not even justified in many Muslim nations for a man to murder an unfaithful wife? My point is this peaceful religion justifies and glorifies in many cases, violence and hate. In this case, Hassan was on a mission to dispel the violent stereotypes of Muslims, yet in the end he not only failed to dispel the stereotype he reinforced it.

    Now let me address the Khul’ah you mentioned. The rules for a woman seeking a Khul’ah are not as loose as those for a man who wishes to divorce his wife. I may not be an Islamic scholar but I sought an Islamic opinion on this and this Muslim attorney told me, a woman seeking a Khul’ah would need to have been abandoned by her husband, unsupported by him, or the woman was somehow forced into the marriage. He also suggested that in some places the marriage must be unconsummated. Otherwise, the woman would lack grounds and would be dishonoring the man. You seem to want to create the appearance that women are on equal ground in Islam, but my sources do not bear that out. I found very similar discussions on the internet from desperate women looking for ways out of unhappy relationships.

    Flash forward to this week. We see another Muslim reinforcing the stereotype. You inplied I knew nothing about Islam yet I have read the Qur’an (Koran) as well as the Hadith. While that does not make me an expert, it means I have a rudimentary understanding of their holy writings.

      • Lady S
      • November 10th, 2009

      It is honestly quite clear this is a waste of time – I picked out a point of correction when speaking of the khullah to highlight that you wrote was incorrect as women can seek divorce although perhaps the grounds are different to that of men, but not as hopeless as you’ve outlined I might add. I spoke about nothing regarding your illogical rationale of how one evil act embodies the nature of an entire creed because I thought your argument was stupid enough for most people to see through but evidently not.

      It’s quite sad that in this day and age of so called free press, with unlimited resources to access information, you are under some distorted illusion that it’s COMMON for Muslim men to murder their wives if they are dishonored by the prospect of divorce?! It’s probably as common as it is for all the English/American, or any non-Muslim men that have killed their wives (and sometimes their entire families) for the very same thing! Doesn’t this sort of horrific evil action take place all around the world?! I read about it nearly every other day from some news source or another – just a few weeks ago an English man killed an ex-girlfriend because she changed her status on facebook to single – what on earth does that prove about a stereotype, except if nothing else that many men in general can’t handle it when their pride or ego is hurt and some of them lose control and kill as a result of it.

      And for the record, a man himself cannot murder his unfaithful wife. It would be for the appointed one in the state (assuming they lived in an Islamic state), just like it’s the appointed one in the American legal system that carries out the death penalty and not the victim – and it could only take place if there were four witnesses to the act which is near enough impossible and so therefore it wouldn’t take place.

      If ever you met a Muslim that had any proper level of knowledge or understanding of their religion, they would tell you that simply reading the Qur’an alone, or once, wouldn’t give you any form of understanding at all, at least not one that you could credit yourself on.

      It’s quite sad really because the only one propagating hate here is you, but then again perhaps the sound minded will be able to see through your venom and realize for themselves the ill basis of much of your thought.

        • Ben
        • November 10th, 2009

        Lady S,

        RE:I spoke about nothing regarding your illogical rationale of how one evil act embodies the nature of an entire creed because I thought your argument was stupid enough for most people to see through but evidently not.

        I don’t understand how you can view the post itself as illogical rational and guilty of perpetuating a stereotype when it reported the facts of the story. Indeed, the actions of Muzzammil Hassan are what perpetuated a stereotype.

        Second, I reread the post to be certain, but I don’t see where the author of the post above claims “one evil act embodies the nature of an entire creed”.

        There are many elements in the story. The main element is about how Muzzammil Hassan’s actions perpetuate the view of Islam held by the Western world. It’s the very view he was working to change. Ironic, isn’t it?

        So if there is any illogical rational to be highlighted, it has to be that of Muzzammil Hassan.

        The last paragraph of the post above states:

        “My point is not that Muslims routinely behead those they dislike or that they murder their wives. My point is that Hassan was employed to dispel Muslim stereotypes but in the end he served to reinforce a very basic stereotype. Muslims behead people. Well, they do. Muzzammil Hassan proved it.”

        … which serves to show there are members in the Muslim community who are fighting to regain control of the image of their religion. Rightly so. But in the end Mr. Hassan’s religion failed him.

        I sense some hyper-sensitivity on your part, but I could be wrong.

        —–

        RE:It’s probably as common as it is for all the English/American, or any non-Muslim men that have killed their wives (and sometimes their entire families) for the very same thing! Doesn’t this sort of horrific evil action take place all around the world?!

        Yes, sadly, it does, but when a Muslim beheads his wife, the West sees things just a bit differently, and it isn’t their fault.

        After many decades, the West has grown accustomed to reading about random acts of violence, suicide bombings occurring in open markets, restaurants and hotels. The West has seen kidnappings of innocent people who have been taken as hostage by radical Muslims. The hostage is then tried, judged and convicted as an infidel and then beheaded; sometimes recorded on video and then posted on the internet for the world to see. In so doing, the Muslims praise Allah, the Merciful, under the name of Islam, the religion of enlightenment. “Allahu Akbar!”

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        RE:I read about it nearly every other day from some news source or another – just a few weeks ago an English man killed an ex-girlfriend because she changed her status on facebook to single

        Your theme is clear; try to place the actions of Muslims into the same category as that of a run-of-the-mill Englishman with a bruised ego. Perhaps, but the difference is clear; one is acting in the name of Allah, while the other isn’t.

        —–
        RE:And for the record, a man himself cannot murder his unfaithful wife. It would be for the appointed one in the state (assuming they lived in an Islamic state), just like it’s the appointed one in the American legal system that carries out the death penalty and not the victim

        Does anyone else but me see the absurdity in this? To be clear, I am not trying to chastise you; I am going after the facts of this statement. … “a man … cannot murder his unfaithful wife. It would be for the appointed one in the state … (Islamic state) just like it’s the appointed one in the American legal system that carries out the death penalty and not the victim”. Really? If a woman divorces a man it is a crime worthy of death. Really? Only in Islam, you say?

        If true, I think you’ve unwittingly assisted the author of the post above in making the case that there is something flawed about the religion of Islam.

        —–

        RE:It’s quite sad really because the only one propagating hate here is you

        I fail to see a single fact in the post which can even remotely support your statement. As such, you are now resorting to just making stuff up to suit your emotional needs.

        —–

        RE:perhaps the sound minded will be able to see through your venom and realize for themselves the ill basis of much of your thought.

        He has only posted a synopsis of a story and you feel justified to make this statement? The only ill basis I see are the ones used to support your flimsy accusations. The only venom I see comes from your tongue. You are being quite obtuse and have totally missed the point of the posting.

        —–

        The West is well aware that when we read about stories like the above they represent the actions of a few; a minority representation of the followers of Islam. Let’s put that understanding into perspective.

        Today, it is estimated that there are 1.66 billion practicing Muslims in the world. If 10% are radical extremists, as some estimate, that means there is a potential army of 166 million angry Muslims out there just waiting to be organized. If the number is more likely to be 1%, that number shrinks dramatically down to 16.6 million radicalized Muslims.

        To put that into further perspective, there are a total of 1,083,027 personnel are on active duty within the United States and its territories, which includes ships at sea.

        How many Islamic extremists does it take to help perpetuate a stereotype?

    • Ben
    • November 10th, 2009

    If you take issue with the story above, I’m curious to know about your views of the story (link below) about Major Hasan, a practicing Muslim serving in the U.S. Army. He was to be deployed to Iraq soon, but before he did, he decided he would kill as many of his fellow service men and women as possible.

    Major Hasan did not just “snap”. The basis of his decision is light years away from that of the Englishman with the bruised ego. Major Hasan’s rational rested firmly upon the teachings found in the Qur’an.

    To state that fact, does that make me a hate-monger worthy of being chastised? That would be the way of a practicing Muslim, wouldn’t it?

    http://onislamicfascism.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/fort-hood-muslim-major-and-his-personal-jihad/

  2. Ben accurately defended my thought and position. Not all Muslims kill their wives. Not even those seeking divorce (by whatever name you give it.) I do know Muslims, btw, but that is not relevant to my point. My point was as Ben restated. Hassan was trying to dispel negative stereotypes but instead he REINFORCED THEM.

    The story was relatively short and simple but you missed the point completely. Perhaps the language of sarcasm at the end confused you. Lady S, I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

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