The idiots come out of the woodwork

Yesterday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was asked about the charge from that President Barack Obama was not a natural born citizen.  Like Gibbs, I do think the people who claim this would be satisfied if there were videotape with a GPS coordinate burned into the tape.  The mere fact that his father was an alien and his mother moved him to Indonesia seems to foul the air.

The Politico covers Inhofe's comments

I think this is an issue that paints Republicans in a poor light.  Especially when a Republican Senator like James Inhofe (OK) who grants that the so-called “birthers” have a point, follows up by saying, “My focus is on issues where I can make a difference to stop the liberal agenda being pushed by President Obama.”  The Politico is the only source at this time, but it reads like Inhofe sees any issue or argument valid if it helps to stop Obama.  That is not the message or tactic Republicans should be taking.  Rather they should be putting forward sound alternatives to the insanity Democrats are trying to ram down our collective throats.

CNN never shy about giving Obama a boost, titled their Political Ticket story, Gibbs Shoots Down “Birthers”. That is hardly what happened.  While for the first time I find myself agreeing with Gibbs, he certainly shot nothing down.  He flailed and acted arrogant as he always does.  My favorite line was when he said, “Here’s the deal. If I had some DNA, it wouldn’t assuage those who don’t believe he was born here.”  I must digress just a bit here because this is a humorous statement.  First DNA does not yield any clue as to where you were born.  DNA would only prove Obama’s heritage.  No one is debating that, Robert.

Back on point, Gibbs offered no proof or any argument to refute the charge.  He simply did what Liberals do when they got nothin’ more, he hurled insults.  He brushed off the entire topic as beneath his office.  On this point I agree.  These “birthers” need to produce the evidence Obama is not a citizen before Obama must take this seriously.  He already produced a birth certificate and that wasn’t enough.  However, all that aside, it is the responsibility of the accusers to prove wrong-doing not the accused to disprove it.  Now, should there be a proof of birthplace law for Presidential candidates?  Sure but I am unaware that one currently exists and if one did exist a birth certificate would most likely be the required evidence.

Bill Maher told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that America is basically a stupid country.  Bill Maher is himself an idiot so it’s basically a case of the pot calling the kettle…  However, Bill is extremely frightened of Sarah Palin because he bought into his own rhetoric.  But that is another topic.  My point here is that I found evidence that Mr. Maher is correct and it has nothing to do with Sarah Palin it has everything to do with the “birthers.”

All one must do its read through the 300 comments CNN collected at the bottom of their story, Gibbs Shoots Down Birthers. The idiots abound.  It appears many liberals do not understand the phrase, “natural born citizen.”  In the event you are one of them, it means the President must have been born on U.S. territory, not naturalized, not a citizen due to parentage, or any other form of citizenship.  This is the basis of the “birthers” claim.  they are not disputing his citizenship but the “natural born” clause that is spelled out in the Constitution.  But, hey, liberal don’t read the Constitution, they misread it.

I would like to quote a few of the dumbest comments found below CNN’s story.

  • “At least President Obama was born ON U.S. soil……. McCain was born in PANAMA!”   Panama was a U.S. territory in 1936 when McCain was born, thus he was a naturally born citizen. -aai
  • Shouldn’t you share the wealth with your fellow human beings?  Stop with the greed, take a few steps back and try to live a normal life. Look at how many vacation days they get in Europe. Americans should get some more time off. Share the jobs with others, so there are less unemployed.
  • Hey Birthers:   1. MOVE ON!   2. Don’t go away mad – just go away…  Open minds like this abound.  -aai
  • In order to be a “natural born citizen” a person has to either be born to at least one parent who is a citizen and/or be born in the US or on a US military or other installation.  Pres. Obama’s mother was a US citizen (born in Kansas) and he was born in Hawi’i (a US state in 1961). He therefore fulfills both possible requirements. This is nothing but a witch hunt.  Ah, WRONG.  If you’re going to define something for everyone you should look up the definition first!  Apparently many had the same misconception.  –aai
  • IF YOUR MOTHER IS A US CITIZEN, YOU CAN BE BORN ON MARS AND YOU WOULD STILL BE A US CITIZEN.
  • ALMOST 70 MILLION VOTED FOR OBAMA. DEAL WITH IT.  Wow, I guess it’s settled now, let’s all go home.  70 million mostly government educated people can’t be wrong.  –aai
  • okay Obama is a bad president; so what, there have been many of them including the prior one; Americans don’t question the location of his birth, idiots do! HUH?  So is this guy saying not to question just follow blindly?  Alright.  Thank you for straightening me out Chairman Mao.  –aai

I think this whole issue takes our eyes off the real issue, stopping Obama from turning America into Amerika.  Two hundred years of freedom is slipping through our fingers as government swoops in to gobble up our businesses, our health care, and our very lives.  Come on Republicans – FOCUS!

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  1. “He already produced a birth certificate and that wasn’t enough.” He has never produced a “recognized” birth certificate. What he has offered is a statement from the state of Hawaii that he was born. It doesn’t state where. It is required to get into school in Hawaii when a birth certificate isn’t available. Military families often get them to get their kids into school in Hawaii when they have lost their BC and don’t have time to get another one issued from the States. Really is rather a silly requirement since all it says is that the person was born “alive” and is now living in the state. Like dumb!!

    This thing would go away if he would simply publish a legal birth certificate. He hasn’t because he hasn’t got one to publish obviously.

    I agree this is not a really vital issue considering what this man is doing to the United States, but it may be a way of getting him impeached legally and thru the courts and not the congress so it is an avenue to pursue I suppose. Tho the proceedings could be dragged out forever so not being reelected is our real hope for this problem. BB

  2. My sister-in-law lives in Hawaii and she says what he produced, a certificate of live birth is what all Hawaiian babies get. Also microfilm has been produced showing a baby announcement as well. It this is a massive cover-up, it’s a good one. I’m convinced he was born in Hawaii, myself.

    Now let’s stop this health care program that is beginning to look more and more like The Final Solution. It encourages old people to kill themselves, it puts health decisions in the hands of heartless bureaucrats, and cost cutting measures will surely mean rationing. I hear of an 18 year old Canadian woman who had never bothered to get an Obgyn and found herself pregnant and in need of one. She was told the first available appointment was in 10 months. Another story I read was of an elderly woman who died in the ER hallway after waiting 3 days for care.

    The brainless out there don’t believe it and the Canadians who defend their system usually haven’t used it in an emergency or time sensitive manner. I know Canadians travel to the U.S. for cancer treatments they don’t wait to be wait-listed into the grave in Canada.

    • reedkeys
    • August 5th, 2009

    I know I’m a little late to the party on this one but the “birther” movement is growing (or should I say gestating). I feel about this the way I felt about all the scandals facing Bill Clinton in the 90’s. There are so many real issues to defeat this guy on, why raise other ones to distract us. If we can’t make the case against health care, tax increases, cap and tax, and everything else, we have no hope of proving an unprovable conspiracy.

  3. Well, if you got the word from a resident I guess it must be accurate. I have never been to Hawaii and just know that military families can get these certificates to get their children into school.

    I do quite agree that this is a side issue of little use to anyone since even if concrete evidence were produced congress would have to act and that could drag out forever. He will be defeated in 2012 I have no doubt but he can do a lot of damage before hand if we don’t fight him every step of the way. My story on Major Cook ( Soldier released from duty when he claims Obama not Commander in Chief. Pentagon caves in! ) is in the vein of keeping my readers informed which is the job I have given myself since last summer. I don’t necessarily give all of my posts the same value for that reason.

    I personally am passionately opposed to Cap & Trade, Health Care Reform Obama style and most of all the steps that are being taken to put the United States under the domination of the United Nations of which there are many, and many more behind the scenes taking place

    • As always great to hear from you, Brenda. We really have to stop health care as it will end the lives of thousands of poor seniors and create shortages across the board. I had to schedule a minor surgery the other day. My wait was 18 days. Not too bad. I have read that the average wait here in Atlanta is 11 days while in MA it is 50 days, Toronto is 99 days for general surgery. People should look at this chart: http://www.waittimes.net/waittimes/en/wt_data_map.aspx?LHIN=7&Mod=0

      It is scary what they want to do to us. It is all about power. Once passed they believe they will have a lock on power. They can scream, “The Republicans want to KILL children!”

      • Melinda
      • April 10th, 2014

      Re: “Since his father was not a cztiien at the time of his birth, Obama is not constitutionally eligible.”Answer: Who told you that? It is wrong. The reason that the US Congress voted to confirm Obama UNANIMOUSLY is that not one single member in the 535 believes that the cztiienship of Obama’s father has any effect on his Natural Born Citizen status.Natural born cztiien. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of cztiiens temporarily residing abroad. Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition What is a natural born cztiien? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born cztiien. (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT). Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are cztiiens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born cztiiens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States cztiiens are “natural born cztiiens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]Moreover, although there have been birther bills sponsored in about 11 states and in Congress that would make future candidates for office prove their birth in the USA (which, by the way, Obama will be able to show easily since they all will have to accept the official birth certificate of Hawaii), there has not been a federal or state bill that would make candidates prove that their parents were US cztiiens.

  4. Re: “My argument goes to lettres between the founders…”My own research, into the writings of John Adams, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and James Wilson, shows that NONE of these, not even John Jay, ever used the phrase Natural Born to refer to parents. They only used it to refer to citizenship due to the place of birth.Yes indeed, they did require that the president be a Natural Born Citizen. That means that he or she cannot be a foreigner. That is significant in itself (If you look at the qualifications for members of the US Supreme Court, you will see that they actually can be foreigners–and there isn’t even an age requirement).So, presidents have to be citizens. What else? They have to be natural born? What did Natural Born mean at the time? It was never used in America (not Switzerland) to refer to the parents. NEVER.The result is that a president must be a citizen and he must be Natural Born, of which the largest group by far are those citizens who are born in the USA.I have read the Federalist Papers, which does not include a discussion of Natural Born. But it does mention the common law about twenty times, and that is the way that Natural Born was used in the common law.There is also a wonderful (but very long) set of quotations from a draft treaty with Britain in which Ben Franklin, John Adams, John Jay and Livingstone used the words Natural Born Citizen EXACTLY the way that the British use Natural Born Subject. The draft was not approved because it went too far–but it shows how these leaders used the phrase Natural Born.In this draft treaty the American leaders proposed that American citizens traveling in Britain (ordinary citizens, not necessarily natural born) should be treated with all the rights and privileges as NATURAL BORN subjects when they are in Britain, and British subjects traveling in the USA should have the same as do Natural Born Citizens when they are in the USA.It is unlikely that we would offer the British the rights of the children of two-citizen parents if in Britain our citizens could only get the rights of persons born in Britain.So the historical argument fails, badly.I have read much of the debate on the 14th Amendment. Bingham, the author of the Equal Protection clause, not the citizenship clause, was THE EXCEPTION. All the others that I could find supported the idea that EVERY child born in the USA should be a citizen at birth, with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats and also Indians (who were excluded due to a legal fiction that their tribes had sovereign rights).So, the meaning of “under the jurisdiction” in the debates, and certainly in the Wong Kim Ark case (in which EVERY child born in the country is described as Natural Born) simply refers to a person’s having to obey the laws of the USA. Foreign diplomats do not have to (sovereign Indian tribes were thought not to have to), but everyone else does.”Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)”Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)

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